Outrageous Oral, Volume 1: Penny Krispin

Transcript 0:00 this my name's penny Crispin 0:06 and I'm gonna talk a little bit about to the old days 0:10 when I was known as nurse pickle taking care of 0:14 HIV patients here in Dallas um 0:18 I graduated from Baylor nursing school in 83 0:21 and rented a little garage apartment from a little lady in commerce 0:25 and is very sad her son had died two years earlier 0:29 and my mother said he had died of cancer and she told me that he was a very 0:34 I'm artful designer later on 0:39 when I moved to Dallas I was told by 0:42 Simona de Chile and now some the doctors here that he was a first got it done 0:46 amazing Taos County 0:48 so unbeknownst to me that was my first 0:51 brush with HIV and 0:54 I I graduated from nursing school 183 0:58 and I went to the ice you in the ER work 1:01 and that was my passion and I loved it but 1:05 one day they were short on the cancer for it was about 1985 I guess 1:10 and they said to there's a clinic patient in there is names for 1:15 islam's George his clinic patient his primary K 1:18 you know just but he's got a dynamite a crash never taken care from 1:22 aids patients but before water you know I needed a little bit a report with that 1:26 never 1:27 done it and a nice to you work in the right we come out of the room 1:31 go in with a mask love Gale everything when you come out no matter where it is 1:35 true at the Red 1:36 hazard be in Soho where trays everything 1:39 so I walk into the room and this guy has gone down so 1:44 pajamas I'm like helping this is a clinic Medicaid patient the guy was 1:50 feel plea rich okay he could've bought and sold every nurse on the unit 1:55 and so I thought you know I don't know what this is all about 1:58 I'm not you know we haven't been in service stone 2:01 this is intriguing to me wanna hear the nurses said 2:06 you wanna make some extra money course idea she said you should go into home 2:10 care 2:11 and you can just do a few extra visits when you're not in the ICU 2:15 and so I got a job at home care company 2:18 and when the first patients I saw was out on current 2:23 Boulevard workman's comp case and and if you know where that is but it out 2:29 South Dallas in I would have to call you in telling what 2:32 how I was going to arrive at his doorstep so he can hold his gun out 2:35 where everyone else in the apartment complex could see 2:38 so that I could run to his door 2:41 and get inside safely roaches crawl over my feet like trying to do is visit 2:46 I was like okay you know what this is my job somebody's got to do it on the nurse 2:51 come back and they say I'm would do you think you might be interested in seeing 2:57 people with HIV 2:58 and I said sure yeah actually had case I'm 3:01 I'm fairly familiar with it so they handed me the entire 3:05 aids docket now I'd like to think it was because I was a good nurses probably 3:09 because I had a burger here 3:10 get I'm not sure but I went from 3:16 gun waving in South Dallas to the first apartment I walked into 3:21 for my first HIV case was a three storey condominium 3:26 decorated movie deporting I was home 3:29 so i thought okay I want to put these patients on me I'm 3:35 in absolute splendor and glamour they're making me tea and coffee in 3:39 crumpets and I've never tasted before what's the deal here 3:43 so I sensed 3:46 you know a.m. reticence on their part 3:50 some kind of problem with T treating people with HIV which 3:53 I could imagine because I thought I had just laid in the most parched job 3:58 I ever had in my life so 4:01 the pharmacist said me you know you seem to have a knack for this and other words 4:05 you look like a lesbian 4:06 why don't we 4:10 starter on company because they obviously don't you know this is 4:14 certainly 4:14 early do in you know for the money anyway so let's do it 4:17 so we started a small company we didn't have very much money would put it 4:22 together we've got our shingle we had to buy so many drugs to open up our 4:26 pharmacy in everything 4:27 we're almost flat broke doctor robert fan called me 4:32 well let me back up a minute my next door neighbor was gray mclean 4:35 and we were as I say we're about to go broke 4:39 an open eve you know gramm he was on very handsome Australian doctor MD PhD 4:45 from Australia and he just happened to be a resident 4:48 and and Methodius when I was a nurse the ring he 4:51 came over for dinner one night he said there's a treatment in San Francisco 4:55 that is an aerosol treatment it has virtually no side affects 5:00 and it will stop PCP well at the time 5:04 you know if I had a patient with PCP 5:09 I usually didn't have 'em a second time it was that very much and that 5:13 tough to treat in that to to keep from coming back 5:17 so he gave me the protocol and simply because we were such a small company we 5:21 had no red tape to go through 5:23 and since we're only three of us I went and got a 5:26 compressor about the size of the speaker appear and 5:29 within one week we were given your serpentine treatments 5:33 we still were almost broke in doctor robert fine call me in said 5:37 a patient man has told me you have a treatment available that I think might 5:40 be appropriate for his name is Terry T mando 5:44 and sell we started treating 5:47 Terry had was recovering from one poem at the time in 5:50 I'm told people many occasions when we're about to go down that 5:55 during his first check from his insurance came 5:58 to our company and the rest was history 6:02 he and a and bill where both my patients and a 6:08 were not only my patience but they were mine stronger said the kurds 6:12 but they saw how benign treatment was the few side effects at hand in how 6:17 whale 6:18 Terry recovering from it and %uh they said they need to be offering this 6:22 parkland because at the time we had no other treatment 6:26 and so way in Weyburn in the dow scale on smackin 6:31 several people went department and ask for the treatment and they were 6:35 you know denied that sell the DTLA 6:38 and I'm brought the nurses 6:41 the pin Tam the machines by brought the patients and we started treating 6:45 and so I guess it was about a year to year a year and a half when we treated 6:50 prolly twenty-five patients every Wednesday night just once a month 6:54 treatment so we treat a couple hundred people or more 6:58 until park on begin to give the treatment until we we started realizing 7:02 that 7:03 aerosol paint a.m. could be replaced by a factor which was a much 7:09 cheaper and much better tolerated treatment but I can tell you right now 7:14 that I personally had patience 7:18 that I cared for during that time that are still here today 7:22 because up there and I'm not saying maybe 7:26 I'm sayin because cats to in said 7:29 you know what gonna take up the money we're going to raise it 7:33 we're going to treat these guys and we're gonna we're gonna 7:36 do our part to keep this thing alive and ideas 7:41 a lot of people have asked me and was any legal 7:45 her did you you know did you with your licensed 7:48 jeopardy you're anything like that here's hoping to him was not approved 7:52 for that indication but it was approved so it was not against the law 7:56 we were in the paper we were on the news you know kinda showing 8:00 park on for not being cure your sake could be 8:03 but it was not against the law was against the law 8:08 was the stockpiles medications 8:11 that we kept for an issue on people nodding 8:16 for people that didn't have insurance and stuff like that 8:20 now leave you with the star a 8:24 I was very concerned about my losses because it was my livelihood 8:28 and a we did have this huge stockpile drugs and anybody that needed it 8:34 could come and get it cuz a lot of people become allergic to be a survey 8:37 stop this may change to their 8:39 so we would keep in we would give people what they needed 8:44 so I went to my grandmother who was my moral conscience 8:47 at the time and i sat down 8:50 you know how's the hell week 8:53 keeper giving out this medicine these guys need there's no into place 8:57 a lot number gonna get park on some other drugs are very expensive they 9:01 won't get it there 9:02 she said you know 9:05 it's against the law for you to do that so there would be a crime 9:10 but if you didn't do it that would be a sin 9:30 a lot you know my brother died in 1992 9:33 it's still hard I know it's hard for you 9:46 and there are a lot of people here that were sick before him they're still alive 9:50 today 9:51 thank I want to thank you for this opportunity in this 9:56 honor and them 10:00 I stopped in HIV medicine in ninety-eight when 10:03 nurses like me were needed as much because people were on appeal regimen 10:07 so a lot of people read this i really think I'm stretch 10:11 was gone but I'm back in urs picked 10:14 to school so watch out